Now just why do either of you think this is an issue? We can't interview any of the parties that are quoted in the scriptures or the ones that wrote about the events. Are you both assuming that they were accurate in their writings? Who can know for a certainty? What's your point anyway? Why does it matter at all? If you want to explaine your points, don't debate, let me know WHY you think this has any impact on my everlasting life or my relationship with Jah or Jesus. I know that you will site what you have alread stated, but how does this impact me and other readers?
You both have an excellent grasp of scripture, but you are missing the point. You know that you could be posting this on a Jewish board or another Christian board, so I ask, "Why here, and why is this so important to you both?" This isn't really a salvation issue. Is it too either of you? If it is, why? I would truly like to understand why this point is so important.
I see God everyday. "Man was made in the image of God", so everytime I look into a mirror or into my loved ones eyes, I see the reflection of the face of my Creator. I see His face and live.
I know that there are no words that can truly help right now. I too had a good friend pass away this past spring of cancer. What brave souls are the ones that try to spit in the wind of fate. I miss my friend so much, just as I know that you are feeling a void that can never be filled again. My heart is with you and aches for your loss.
to the "inquisition" of these days... that is on jw.com... may you have peace.. because there seems to be a 'movement' to 'expose' me as false, and judge and condemn me as a 'jezebel' and more... i would hereby like to confess my 'sins' and 'errors'... and repent my actions/inactions... before you... and all onlookers... if you will permit me.
thank you.. i confess... that i am a servant to the household of god, israel, and a slave of christ, by means of an anointing with holy spirit, which i received directly from the person of my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mischajah.. i confess... that i have been given the 'free gift' of holy spirit, in the form of hearing spirits, discerning inspired utterances, so that i hear not only the voice of my lord, the but voices of various spirits, so i am able to relate to others that hear, as well as those that do not hear... what the spirit says to the congregation.. i confess... that i have been freely given other 'gifts' of that same spirit, which gifts manifest themselves in me in various ways and which gifts i have not attempted to hide from anyone... man... or god.. i confess... that i have a love for my father and my lord to such an extent that i would subject myself to public humiliation, before all men, bear reproach now... and endure a 'torture stake' for the glory that awaits me, which glory i have nought but faith in, because i have heard of its certainty... and received my 'sealing'... directly from the one the promised such glory, my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mishajah.. i confess... that i have agreed to 'repay' my lord for his love and kindness... the undeserved kindness granted me... in the only way that i can... by obeying his voice and going to the household of god, those that go with them, and any others who are 'thirsting' and 'wishing'... and telling them that the same gifts and glories undeservedly afforded me... can be granted to them as well.. i confess... that as a true servant to the household of god, by means of undeserved kindness, i have been granted to know the fruit of my father's spirit that is love... for all of mankind... including my enemies.
a love such it compels me to tell what i hear to those who wish to hear of it, even at risk to my own spirit... whether they hear... or they refrain.. i confess... that contrary to what is 'usual' among so-called professed 'christians' and 'anointed', i have not sought to compel people to follow me, or to join any church, religion or other institution of 'theology', and will not, but instead, have asked and spoken only that any who 'hear'... and any who wish to hear... hear... and follow the voice of the fine shepherd, my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mischajah.... i repent... that i am but mere flesh and blood, a woman, a 'foolish thing' and 'weaker vessel', so that i do not always have the strength to stand against the opposition facing me, although i have wished no harm, no evil, no malice toward any.. i repent... that at times my forehead is not as hard as flint, and my heart is not so protected so as not to feel fright when facing off with my adversary and his agents.. i repent... that i do not possess in me the gifts of the spirit that grant miracles, such that those who do not believe can have the 'scales' removed from their eyes so as to see the things 'unseen', things almost too glorious for me to utter... with their own eyes... rather than simply ask for and be granted the 'free gift' of holy spirit and see for themselves.... i repent... that i do not possess in me the 'perfect' love that would move me to not feel hurt and pain when derided and ridiculed, but be able to say to my father, as did my lord, "forgive them father, for they do not know what they do.
I couldn't have expressed it any better myself. Perhaps it is jealousy, maybe spiiritual hurt from men and their orginazations, maybe a loss of faith that there really is something beyond what they can see. It doesn't really matter, because they have already been forgiven.
well, here it is, after almost 20 years 12 of those serving in position of responsibility it comes down to my spiritual execution(jw style).
allow me to explain.
for those who you who still remember me from h20 under the name truthexodus i came to post my experience as an elder of local congregation in nyc area.
I was at h2o when you started posting. I could see that you were troubled and had a heavy burdon that you were carrying. I know that the situation is unpleasant for the moment, but this too shall pass. I do appreciate all the work and help that you have been to otheres and, of course to our Bill. And thank you for comming foward and speaking your mind.
What ever happens with the Kangaroo Judicial Comittee, You can have the peace knowing that did nothing wrong and questions are never wrong. Isn't that what the WTBTS asks us all to do when we are in another religion? Why would it be wrong for them?
May you find peace and the love from your supportive wife.
i'm looking for some thoughts/advice regarding this conversation my sister and i had via instant messenger.
(see below- names have been removed) i have been out of things for a while but i still don't feel very comfortable giving advice as everyone is different.
i have tried to avoid being df'd because of my family.
Thanks for letting us hear into your personal life. I know that all of this can be quite trying, but parents have to let go of their kids and kids have to let go of their parents. Unfortunately, all of this matter-of-fact life, has been complicated by being in a cult.
I don't know how old you are, or what your sisters situation really is, but she knows what she is doing. She knows who her true friends are. She also knows what the outcome of the position that she is putting herself into will be. Although not pleasent, you will be a support to her, and so will we. (She is on the net and can come here for ? ? ? , answers.) Maybe it would make her feel better if she knew that one of the governing body was df'd for having lunch with a df'd friend?
Peace and love to you both, Not Perfect df'd for the samething.
Thanks for the solid information. I will be contacting the local press with the story.
Tina: You mentionned the WTBTS getting a therapist to agree with their method. They have one in the borg and he is a very good dr. Some have heard his name before, Larry Onada.
